Raid Window converted into an....
 

Implied Target/Target/playerinfo/group/raid all in one window idea...


Ok i tried to do this on my own and failed. What i would like to see is the Raid window become my permanent group window. What i want is the normal raid window minus the background colors (transparent background) but i want the raid window to display group members in the first box even if im not raiding.

As it is now the only way to show your group in the raid window is to belong to a raid. Then and only then can you see your group. I am looking to make the raid my permanent group window, leaving it up all the time(thus the transparent backgrounds and borders.

I would also like it scaled down to about 3/4 size maybe even 1/2 not sure till i see it.

All of which in the same style/theme/setup as the default raid window currently uses.
Can any of you supermodders out there hook this one up for me?

I think im confusing myself, so i descided to make an example graphic of what i am looking for.

I'm pretty sure you can do something to that effect. A lot of what's in the group window has dynamic data so should be able to be put into the raidwindow...

Maybe you could get a second opinion ;)

My question is, can i get someone to make this for me. I have allready tried and failed.

Please.... Anyone...?

Place-

Target
Implied target
Player info

Into the raid window,

Make the proper group window look like the raid group 1 page

Place that in the raid window also,

Compleatly remove the raid group 1 window / page (as you will be using the modded group window to display that info now)

......

In a very basic description that is about it.... Sorry I personaly dont have the time to do this for you... But it is an interesting concept

I could be wrong but I think the target and implied target buff icons are hard coded so you would lose them if I am right.

They are. Also player spell effects are pushed as well and therefore can't be placed into the raid window.

However combining the group and raid windows together I think is doable. I might try somethign like this for Serenity.

You could always make them seperate and just move them on your screen how you wanted to. It's not "perfect" but it still results in the same out come...

Doing the best you can and the closest to what i have posted and laffs made better sense out of, is all i need. Really looking forward to someone taking this thing on. dont forget about the whole resizing to 3/4 size.

Thanks a TON whoever does this..

So... Is anyone going to take this on? It has to be simple for someone who knows what they are doing right?

Drum's plan seems to make sense likes, due to the effects problem and stuff ... you could still remove the raid group one from raid window as well...

If nobody picks this up maybe I may get some time on Friday to have a shot at it for you... but cant promise mate sorry

there's just one simple problem: you might end up in raid group 2, 3 or 4 ;)

I will take a look at this today after work. I'm intrigued by the project. No promises on if it will turn out the way you want, as there are soem hurdles to overcome but I WILL take a shot at it and come up with something.

Just an FYI. I started working on this but quickly ran into a problem with the group info. For some darned reason I can't seem to figure out, the dynamic data for group health and power works fine as a text control but if I put it in as a progress bar it ceases to function.

So i'm goign to contniue beating on this, but if I can't fix that issue i'll have to get CREATIVE lol.. I have a couple ideas. Should be interesting to see how the develops.

Thank you thank you thank you.. Agathorn, good luck and once again THANKYOU!

Ok I wanted to give you an update on how this is all turning out.

First off you will need to know that to do exactly what you wanted so far just hasn't proven doable due to bugs and limitations. With that in mind however I set about visually reproducing what you wanted even if it isn't all exactly combinerd in one window. With snap-to-grid arrangement you can pretty much duplicate what you wanted, but the info is in a few seperate windows. I hope that in the end that will be good enough for you.

Now i've tried to go as much as possible to your mockup and guidelines though there were a few areas that I wasn't sure on and a few areas that might work better in other ways. Don't be afraid to ask for tweaks or changes here and there once I get this out to you. I don't mind.

Right now the way I have it all is working perfectly, but I have NOT yet resized any of it. For two reasons. First reason is I have been focused on functionality first and once thats good I will work on resizing. The second reason was I wanted to be absolutely sure you wanted it shrunk and HOW you wanted it shrunk (horizontally, verticaly, both) because even the default sizes (all based on the raid window) seem awfully small to me.

I'm going to attach two screenshots here then the XML files. Basically the way it works is you do have seperate target, impled, player, group, and raid windows but they are all designed to work together to create the unifed look you wanted. Also of note, and this is an area I can change that I wasn't certain how you wanted it, I current have the player info in the player window, but I also added the player name/level/bars into the first slot of the group window. The main reason I did that was because the raid window would normally show you as well, and so by adding you to the group window it all lined up better. Again that can be changed tweaked.

All the windows are szied on 5 pixel boundries so they snap together seamlessly. To solve the double edge problem of bugged gropu dynamic data that prevented me from pulling it out of the group window and the issue that you aren't always in raid group 1, I left the gropu info in the gropu window but made the raid/gropu windows in such a way that you can perfectly slip the gropu window into whatever spot is needed in the raid window. To do this you will find each group section in the raid window has a small button in the upper left corner (only shows up on mouse over of that specific section). Click that button will toggle that raid gropus visibility. So if for instance your group is in raid group 3, you would simply hide raid grroup 3 then slide the gropu window in its place. It will look visualyl like it belongs there :) Just line up the modded implied/target/player windows as desired and the look should be pretty darn close to what you wanted.

I apologize that the screenshots here only show a 4 person raid (2 per 2 groups) but at this time of day on test its hard to get some people together :p And we're all in different zones so some bars are greyed out.

The first screenshot here shows the looks. It also shows the gropu window to the right of the raid window so you can see how they are essentially the same. The second screenshot I hide group 1 from the raid and slid the group window into its place. Visually it looks like it belongs there :)

Outstanding job!!! Your right, resizing it wouldnt be good its small as it is. I only have a couple issues with it so far and once those are fixed it will be exactly what i was looking for.

1. I cant see whether mobs are ^ ^^ or ^^^ or whether they are heroic or epic or whatnot. Is it possible to add that somewhere?

2. I usually have all group info and raid info on the right something in the raid window is keeping me from moving it flush up against the edge. Maybe its the deseases and poison icons. (screenshot below)

3 i cant seem to put a border or implement a border or a background transparency to the raid window.

Other than those three things, this is hot man thank you verry much for your time!

Ok i'll keep it at its current size then.

In keeping with the minimal style of the raid window there just wasn't room. I will finagle with it a bit though and see how to best stick it in.

There is a small bit of padding on the edges of the window around the name/bars so that the window falls on an even divisable size of 5. I'll see what I can do to minimize that, but the snapping makes it a lot easier to line things up.


Hmm.. I'll take a look at that.

Woah just saw you rpic.. its THAT far off from the right? Something is messed up. Did you try resetting the window location (that also resets size).

I'll take another look. It should only be a few pixels at most.

Hey if you are going to be around for a bit and have access to EQ2, let me know and i'll make a character on your server and we can hash out the little things till we get it working right.

resetting the window location fixed it. Thanks

There has got to be somewhere to put the up arrows and down arrows and epic/heroic info. Thats pretty important information lol

do what you can, once again i really appreciate your doing this and i know others will love it aswell.

im on till 10:30 pst

Working on putting them in now. I'll probably have to expand the window verticlly though to do it. The border/background issue has been fixed already so I hopefully will have a new copy to you soon.

Ok i gotta go to work, ill be back on arround 9pm (PST) tonight. Again ty.

Sorry I couldn't get anything to you before you left. I'm having some fights with the target window :p I'll have somethign for you when you get home though, or at least I should.

Ok I got the target/implied target issues resolved finally, and it only takes up a small amount of extra space in the minimized form and no extra space in the maximized form so i'm happy with that :)

One thing I forgot to mention earlier is that the target/implied target windows have two layouts. You can resize the windows down to make them larger to show all the effects on the target, or resize them up to hide the effects. Your choice.

I'll post a new set of XML files in a bit after I have some lunch.

Ok here is the latest.

Ok i used this thing all night and i love it but still it needs some tweeking i think. 2 other friends are using it and we all agree.. We need the Implied target, Target and the Player info health and power bars to be enlarged to span the entire width of the raid window. Those 3 are imprtant enoguh to be more visable just currently just too small. It could be in a format below:

Target and Implied Target:


annother thing is, my name shows up in the self window and in the group window.. is there anyway to remove it from the group window entirely?

Let me know what you think.. The health bars of myself and the mob im fighting definately need to be more detailed and larger to view and inable me to make accurate calculations and comparison to the mob they are fighting..

Also, should the raid window allways show "longestnameposs" whil e not in a raid or is it going to go away once in a raid?

We are close to being done and i cant tell you how impressed i am with this whole thing. You have done a great job.

new grp UI
 

I agree with azz, this new grp / raid UI is great and very unobtrusive. I like it a lot. with a little bit of tweaking, it would be flawless.

No problem on the target/self windows. As for you being in the player window and group window, as I stated on the first page I put you into the group window for mainly aesthetic reasons. The group window was designed to mirror the raid groups and since the player himself shows up in the raid window I put the player info into the group window as well so it mirrors it. I can take it out just as easy if thats how you want it.

All the names showing up in the raid window is odd. It doesn't do that for me on Test as you can see from my screenshot. I'll have to look into that.

Ok heres the latest.

Modified Target, Implied Target, and Player windows to have health and power bars the full width of the windows.

Swapped position of Level and PlayerName on Player Window.

Added Power and Health percent Labels to Target, Implied Target, and Player windows.

Removed PlayerInfo from Group window.

Also I double checked the raid window and even on live when Iopen it up the window is blank. So I really have no idea why you are seeing it full with Longestnameposs entries :(

I think you linked the wrong zip file lol. I am back at the first zip file for some reason. Downloaded and installed but now i got the old stuff.

Oops! This should be right now.

Your a genious, looks awesome!! 1 last thing however lol, Check out my SS below.. if you can fix these things great! If not then it will have to be good enough. its just cleanup from here, everything is just perfect otherwise..

Damni that green whatever it is. I never figured out what was causing it but it all of a sudden went away for me. I thought I had fixed it :(

The power bar should be lined up fine if it wasn't for that green smudge :p

As for the numbers being cut off, I think you need to resize your windows. They had to get slightly larger.

I'd recommend you wipe out all the old stuff and extract the new archive. See if that fixes anything. Its very weird that you are seeing things that I am not (like all the dummy names still being there), and i've tested this right on your server :(

I think I may know what is causing your green smudge. I had fixed it but it looks like I had only fixed the v0 page. Are you using v1? Try a /con_version 0 and see if it goes away.

In any case i'm goign to clean up the v1 page and the implied window which I also forgot to fix and then upload a nice fresh version of everything.

I also noticed by your SS that it looks like your still using the old gropu window.

I cleaned up the rest of the target and implied target pages. And made a completely fresh zip file. I'd recommened that you delete your target, implied target, player, group, and raid xml files then extract this zip in there to ensure you got all the latest. Also reset all those windows to default size to ensure you aren't clipped.

I'll check back later but for now i'm off to black friday at work. I work retail so its goign to be a super long day.

Looks great!! I still have longestnamepos showing in the raid windows but i think it may have something to do with eq2map and the OCD ui stuff. who knows.. i wont really know whats going on with it till i raid.

Either Way it looks awesome i love it and i know a few others do too. Submit this to the misc section or group section or something i think others will like it aswell.

Good Job and Thank you!

After playing around with this over the weekend, I really like what it does. I love saving screen real-estate, and how it gets ridof some useless windows (extra group one). The only thing that I came into a real issue of was that it doesn't show if the group member is diseased, trauma, etc. Being a healer, I find this UI really helpful, except that I do need to know when I should cure someone. If you could make this happen... good times by all!

After a bit of finaggaling I managed to squeeze in JUST enough space to put some small effects icons in there. In the process I also noticed a bug that caused all groupmember levels to display the level of group member 1.. oops :p

Here is a new group window to try out.