Looks great Rothgar. I'd say stick with that, and any "improvements" can always be made down the line with more overall feedback from in-game testing :D
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I 'll add my 2cts:
I even created an add-on for ProfitUI to use this functionality before gm9 implemented it by himself. I really like it; esp. the list of the latest updated quests. But, I would still like your new system even more as long as the "history" would include at least 3 quests. If that is the case I think that you would not need the old system any more. ;) |
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2) Ahh I did not know you were going to auto-remove quests after completion. So disregard this point of mine. 3) Sounds good, and its implemented currently this way. I know there is a third party add-on to connect to a browser, so thats where I was going with that point. Let me ask a few dumb questions if I may. Assume that you have a limit of five quests in the active quest window. Currently all five are displayed with the five last updates. You get a new active update, what happens? I can see a couple of possibilities - 1) scroll the earliest active quest off the screen. 2) scroll the latest active quest off the screen. 3) can you give the possibility of 'pinning' a quest to make sure that it never scrolls off? 4) can you give a way to sort the active quests by update time? Thus the latest updates are at the top of list? 5) Will there be a way to 'highlight' the latest update (i.e. change the font size and richness to bold 12 point, for example?) Thanks for your time. |
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But from my understand the game at no point will decide to make you start tracking a quest and stop tracking an old quest (unless you complete a quest of course, at which point it stops tracking it since there are no more steps). |
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When you get a new quest or update a quest it will que that quest in the active quest window by flashing the quest name in the active quest window, if the limit is met or not and If not already pinned there. At this time you have a chance to pin the quest to the active quest window. You can also go into the main journal and pin and unpin any quest from there. The entire system is really jazzy! |
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Rothgar mentioned that he would have to truncate the quest text in the new window, and clicking or double click the name of the quest would open the quest journal as it does right now. Would it also be possible to show the full text in a mouse over? also be able to turn this feture on and off? I know i would like but my girl friend would hate something like this. If the mouse over would not work then perhaps single click to see text and double click to see open journal? |
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At times I would certainly like to see an update in the active quest helper without having to manually enable the quest, especially since I cannot track 50+ quests if my journal is full. However, I would like to see a filter as well. I may think that L&L quests never need to be tracked, but others want to track L&L's - I am sure you get the idea. |
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The only problem I see is that sometimes killing one mob updates more then one quest. So just flashing one name will not work for EQ2. The only way to solve that in EQ2, I can think of is to have (an optional) list of latest updated quests (just names) at the top or bottom of the window, that can be used to add quests to the Active Quest Window. (Could also be only visible on mouse over).
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I don't see how multi updates will cause any issues. Just que all the quests that got updated.
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An example: You fight a group of three mobs. The 1st mob updates two quests, flashing their names while you are still fighting and the 3rd mob updates an other quest. It is very likely, that you won't have time to add these quests while you are still fighting. So now you have a chance to add the 3rd quest (as the fight is now over), but if you do not have a list of the last updated quests you will have to open your quest book and search for these two quests, that might even be listed in different categories. That is why I ask for some data element that lists the last updated quests. It does not need be to visible all the time, but there should be an easy way to access it with the mouse and the keyboard. Also some a shortcut / command to add the last updated quest to the active quest window and a command that lists the last updated quests might be really helpful. |
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Again this is just all speculation and I am going off of the way some other games have implemented this kind of mechanics. You really have to see it in action to understand how simple it is. It isn't like it flashes the quest 1 or 2 times and goes away.. I'd say most use a slow 5 count before the quest is removed if not pinned. So you will have more then enough time to pin/unpin quest if needed. |
A filter for sorting by last updated (via the Journal window) would be a nice addition either way I think :)
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The drop-down arrow in the upper right corner of the current profit window shows the last few updated quests, so if we are losing that, there has to be something to replace it, because that is something I do use all the time to figure out what updated.
It is not on a timer, so it does not go away (unless you log out or something like that) |
Can we also get a quest guide system with this? Think Lotro, Aion, or AOC where the area on the map where the quest goal is, is highlighted. Or something like the WoW add on Questhelper? Of course, make it where it can be turned off so those that don't want it don't need it.
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Would it be easy to add a sort-by-last-completed option on the quests completed tab? That way a recently completed quest would be easy to reference, as in -trying to find where u are in a solo timeline
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Tweeted by Rothgar and then retweeted, here's an image of the improved quest helper.
http://www.gregsplace.com/blogimages/quest_helper.jpg Looking good, Rothgar. |
That is very nice looking..
Maybe a little rip off, but who cares, we like it :) |
Yeah, looking good. How does it choose the order in which its displayed? Lasted update on top?
OT: Can we see the contents of the "Storylines" tab???? :eek: |
Nice, I'm glad to see the very spacious icons removed from the active quest helper window for this. Definitely a space saver!
Though I could already suggest being able to move the numbers to the beginning of the description to let the eyes do less searching :) |
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As for Order... I'm going to guess that was the order he checked the boxes, but no way to be sure yet. |
still have 2 unanswered question here :)
What is the storyline tab and when do we get the new window go live ? |
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